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prima donna. older americans know what that is. younger americans don't. no prima donnas. ms. megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, after health officials spent days ducking responsibility for two new cases of the ebola virus, unnamed federal sources are now coming forward to blame the latest victim. welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i am megyn kelly, battling a cold but doing all right. like a hollywood movie, the question of containing this virus has become the top issue in the country. it started after infected patient thomas duncan flew to america from liberia and wound up dying at texas presbyterian hospital in dallas. within a week nurse nina pham, who treated duncan, had fallen ill. on wednesday of this week, the head of the cdc appeared on "the
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kelly file" and said others exposed to duncan were not exhibiting symptoms. >> those contacts of initial patients every day they've been tracked, none of them have fever. >> that was tuesday. however, when he told us that, a second nurse, amber vinson, had already been hospitalized that day in dallas for ebola. and while dr. frieden says he did not find that out until later that night, it turns out the cdc at least was aware of ms. vinson's fever as she had already told them all about it just before she got on a commercial airplane and flew home from dallas -- or to dallas from cleveland. the next day the cdc said ms. vinson never should have gotten on that plane. >> the second health care worker reported no symptoms and no fever. however, because at that point she was in a group of
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individuals known to have exposure to ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> later it emerged why nurse vinson decided to do that. the cdc told her it would not be a problem. last night the cdc told "the kelly file" before we came to air that they were not blaming the victim here. but by this morning unnamed federal officials came out to say that ms. vinson had lied to them about how she was feeling. when challenged on that question today, the cdc director said this. >> i have not reviewed exactly what was said, but she did contact our agency. and she did board the plane. >> so the cdc director does not know if his own agency actually green lighted this travel while the nurse was showing symptoms. as has been reported. he says he doesn't know. others say it happened. in a court of law, that's pretty
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persuasive. now these federal officials are suggesting it's the nurse's fault, the one who actually called the cdc to specifically ask if she could travel. does that sound like someone who's trying to hide the truth? coming up we'll look at how many people may have been exposed to ebola during amber vinson's travels. and it is stunning. we will also have an exclusive with frontier airlines, that's the airliner in which she traveled. and they are not happy. but first, a little more on the cdc and the issue of responsibility from this capitol hill hearing today. >> this is the question the american public is asking, why are we still allowing folks to come over here? and why once they're over here is there no quarantine? >> our fundamental mission is to protect americans. right now we're able to track everyone who comes in. >> but you're not stopping them from being around other people, doctor. >> we're still going to rely on self-reporting. >> no. we're taking temperatures at many locations within the country. we are having hand washing
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stations -- >> so you're moving away from self-reporting? because originally it was -- you said our structure was built on self-reporting. when i visited with you earlier. >> well, this guy, he had diarrhea and vomiting. so in your testimony people should have been completely covered, is that right? >> i would have to look at the exact details to know what the answer to that question would be. >> so you don't know whether they should have been completely covered if the patient had diarrhea and vomiting and if he had come from west africa? >> if the patient had diarrhea or vomiting, additional covering is recommended under cdc recommendations, yes. >> so let me ask you a question. do we know yet how the two health care workers in dallas were contracted the virus? was it a breakdown in the protocol? was it a breakdown in the training of the protocol? do we know whether or not the
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protocol works? >> the investigation is ongoing. we've identified some possible causes. we're not waiting for the investigation to be -- >> so we don't know? we don't know. okay. i get that. we don't know. >> joining me now pennsylvania congressman tim murphy, who's a republican and chairman of the house oversight and investigation subcommittee that held today's hearing. he's also a founding member of the gop doctors caucus. sir, thank you for being here with us tonight. so what was the biggest thing you took away from today's hearing? >> confusion is still there. mixed messages from the organizations or federal agencies. on one hand they're saying it may have been okay if someone was properly down to travel and then they're saying maybe not. there's some confusion on that element from the cdc. i also found it actually refreshing from a doctor from the texas hospital who joined us via teleconference. he said mistakes have been made. that's really important, especially if we're going to restore public trust.
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>> the texas hospital is taking responsibility. i agree with you. that was something that was clear today. but speak to the cdc, are they? >> well, no. i'm troubled by their continual belief as with the white house as well as saying a travel ban would be a problem, quarantine shouldn't be there, telling people they shouldn't travel. they don't agree with that yet. i'm troubled by all that. monitoring fevers and relying on people self-reporting is still the crux of their containment and surveillance efforts. and for something that is this deadly, even though grant it only a couple people have it in this country, we don't want anybody to have this and suffer from this. it bothers me that this is still their position. >> what bothers me about this second nurse yesterday, one of the ones told to self-monitor, check yourself for a fever and let us know if you have one. she flies off to cleveland from dallas. she's getting married, wants to pick out her dress. she's supposed to come back to dallas this past monday, she has a fever. that's the telltale first sign. she calls the cdc, says i have a
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fever, should i get on this airplane. she reportedly was told go ahead and do it because your fever's only 99.5 and that's below the guideline at which you're not supposed to travel. so she did it. the cdc comes out and says she shouldn't have gotten on that airplane. now the director says i'm not sure whether we talked to her or not, but the reports were that they did. so he doesn't know? it just seems like no one is mining the shop? >> you're right. also new england journal of medicine says 13% case of fever is not high when the person has ebola. so just using that as criteria alone, plus the cdc has changed that actual temperature level of which they consider it significant and when mr. duncan came to the hospital in texas he was also below that cutout score for the fever. so you see these mixed messages are what give people a lot of anxiety about this. the point i was raised with dr. frieden is if that person had been exposed, even as a health care provider, they shouldn't have traveled.
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and i believe -- he said if she was pronerly gowned it would be okay. now it's pretty clear that's not the case. and dr. frieden was not even certain of that. >> she was not properly gowned. nurses have made clear they don't believe she was. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> my next guest supports the cdc director. he's known as an international expert in patient safety and served in a leadership role at the united nations world health organization. doctor, good to see you tonight. so when i had the doctor on my program on tuesday, i said to him i get that your heart is in the right place. i get you've devoted your life to try to protect the american people from things like this. but how do we get anywhere towards shoring up the system without identifying the flaws and owning them? that's the piece we have yet to hear from the cdc. >> you're absolutely right, megyn. we need to learn from the mistakes that have been made. and i think tom frieden, he's a good guy, i've met with him.
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he's conscientious. hospitals can be messy when it comes to protocols. basically we've had a string of communication breakdowns at many different levels. and that's unfortunately part of the downside of government agencies and the way health care's administered. >> here's part of the problem, they told us that we were ready. i think maybe they'd be getting more of not a pass but people would be more g hadn't stood there prior to ebola arriving in the united states and saying, a, it's not going to arrive. and, b, don't worry because if it does we're ready. even the medical personnel saying they're ready too. and now we know that just wasn't true. we were not ready. >> yeah, i think they see part of their job to calm a lot of the hysteria out there. and the words weren't right. you know what, tom frieden's a doctor. we doctors are not as smooth sometimes as communication experts. people like yourself are great with words. you know, things come out the wrong wayment i didn't like it when the nurse nina pham was sort of implicated.
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i mean, you know, megyn, a kid in high school or college that says i want to be a nurse, that's a special person. and to have this kind of turned on her at the last minute, or at least the implication, i was offended by that. >> and then the cdc tried to dial that back and said we didn't mean to blame her. and yet today federal sources, unnamed federal sources speaking to our own john roberts came out and tried to blame the second nurse saying we went back and spoke with family members of the second nurse and they said her symptoms were worse than she told us on the telephone. it's like this woman called you to ask if she could fly, are we supposed to believe she was trying to hide certain things but disclose fever? >> i mean, these people, these two nurses, ms. vinson and ms. pham, you know the doctor, dr. bradly, these are patients. they're doing a remarkable job. if you look at the work they're doing stuff they know is a high risk thing. by the way, we don't need to be
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like can you touch a doorknob, can you sit next to someone playing bingo, it's called contact precautions. >> thanks, doc. >> hope you feel better. >> thank you. appreciate it. we've been investigating how many people have been potentially exposed to ebola during amber vinson, nurse number two, travels. it is shocking. that's next. plus our interview with the president of frontier airlines on which amber vinson traveled. and frontier is not happy. so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts? that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates.
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it's what makes a subaru,a subaru. wraeking tonight, new information on the nurse who was cleared to travel after showing symptoms of ebola and contacting the cdc about them. today the cdc suggested amber vinson may have been showing signs of illness much earlier than originally revealed raising serious questions about how many people exactly she could have come into contact with. trace gallagher's live in our west coast newsroom with the details. trace. >> megyn, the fact amber vinson might have been showing symptoms as early as last friday greatly increases what the cdc refers to as chain of transmission, people she might have come in contact with. we know she flew frontier airlines friday october 10th, this is the map of how many flights the plane she was on has flown since then, dozens,
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carrying several thousand passengers. because nobody knew she might have had symptoms, the plane was never taken out of service. and breaking just minutes ago, the cdc has asked passengers on the october 10 flight now contact them. now while amber vinson was in ohio, family and friends say she purposely kept her distance, no hugs or kisses. still, three family members who work at kent state university have been told to stay home. another family member with a child at an akron elementary school has forced the closure of that school. the bridal shop she visited is shut down until authorities give the all-clear. four other friends in akron are also under voluntary quarantine as is her mother in dallas. on monday the cdc mistakenly allowed her to fly from cleveland back to dallas because her fever hadn't hit the danger zone. but now they believe she might have been concealing symptoms. and in the 24 hours after she got off flight 1133, that plane made six more flights carrying
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up to 900 people. you might ask, what's the risk if she's not on the plane? well, turns out ebola can live on a dry surface like a tray table or doorknob for several hours. in body fluids like blood or urine, it can live for several days. you mix in the health care workers, neighbors, baggage handlers and others that crossed amber vinson's path and the possible chain of transmission, megyn, gets very lengthy. >> trace, thank you. frontier airlines has become a major part of this story asking employees who flew with this nurse on their plane to take time off. scrubbing their planes and even notifying fellow passengers. but the cdc director today seemed to suggest frontier's response may be an overreaction. listen. >> if you need personal contact with bodily fluids, why is there an airliner in the denver airport right now that frontier airlines has scrubbed four times? aren't they wasting money? why can't they get that back
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into service? if you have to have bodily contact, close contact, why scrub that airline? >> i understand people are very concerned about ebola. it's a scary disease. i can't comment -- >> just public perception. i mean, they really don't need to be doing that, right? >> here now, barry biffle, president of frontier airlines. sorry for what you've gone through through no fault of your own. let's start with what people want to know, is it safe to fly on frontier? >> thanks for having us on, megyn. of course it's safe to fly on frontier. we take safety very seriously. it's our number one priority and safety of passengers and crew and all employees and all customers. and the public in general is our number one concern. it is safe to fly on frontier tonight. >> you were notified of this, i guess, late tuesday evening into wednesday morning, 1:00 a.m. on wednesday that this passenger had been on your plane. what do you think so far of how the cdc has handled this?
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>> well, in my career i've had a lot of crises to deal with. obviously this is a little different. i've never dealt with the cdc. so i can't really speak to how they normally practice and so forth. but obviously as you've been pointing out on the show, we have a lot of questions about the situation. and we've learned a lot since the first notification 42 hours ago. >> have they been hands-on with you? have they been instructing you specifically what you need to do? >> we have been in constant contact with the cdc since we were notified. there was some information that did change, some as recently as in the last hour or so. >> like what? >> for example, the fact that she may have had symptoms as early as friday. that is new information from what we were told yesterday. >> uh-huh. and so now that opens up a new can of worms for you because that's a different plane and a different flight she was on on friday versus the one that was
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on monday. >> that is correct. so we have traced back that aircraft. it has been cleaned nine times. you know, fortunately for the traveling public and for airline industry this is not the first incident like this. there's been h1n1. there's been swine flu. there's been -- you know, we continue to have hepatitis risks and so forth. so the sanitation process of cleaning the aircraft that we do not only kills ebola but a number of infectious diseases. so fortunately the cleaning process we do take meets the cdc standards for containment. >> without getting too detailed, forgive me. we know ebola passes through bodily fluids in an infected person. and, you know, if you use the restroom on an airline, it's a contained facility. and somebody's going to have to clean up the restroom after every flight. we're at the point where people don't even want to handle the ashes of a dead ebola patient, the man who died in dallas, texas. are you assuring people that
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that issue has been taken care of and you believe your own employees have been safe in the process? >> that is correct. and we have no evidence that there was any bodily fluids, f e kal matter, vomit, anything like that. there's no evidence of that. and we were also informed she did not use the lavatory on board the aircraft. >> good to know. now, what about the cdc reportedly telling her that she could fly? she called them on monday morning to say i don't know if i should get on this plane. and they told her to do it. your reaction to that. >> i don't know that much information about what they told her or what she told them. i just know that the cdc has been in contact with us and has released our aircraft. they have released our crew, but we've taken extra precautions just to take the crew offline on paid leave. and at this moment we've removed the aircraft from the 13th and we've cleaned the other aircraft nine times. >> and you're contacting
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passengers who were on board both of those flights now? >> that information has been handed over -- the man fi nest has been handed over to the cdc and they are contacting them. >> good luck to you. thank you so much for being here, sir. i will tell the audience, i would fly on frontier airline without qualms tonight. thank you for being here. big news breaking right now on nina pham, that first nurse. she's the first health care worker to become infected with ebola. she just gave her first interview since being hospitalized. we have it for you right after this break. wait until you hear what she says. ♪ [safety beeping] ♪ [safety beeping] ♪ [safety beeping]
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video from very first interview from nina pham, she's the very first nurse to be infected with ebola. during the interview she describes the scene after the hospital seeing ebola patient thomas duncan. it's hard to hear it, but there are words at the bottom of the screen so you can watch and listen. [ inaudible ] >> happy tears.
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[ inaudible ] >> wow. joining me now, fox news medical correspondent dr. mark siegel. how extraordinary. i mean, a couple things jumped out at me. her tears, obviously she's overwhelmed. we talk about antiseptically. it's got to make you so scared to have somebody wear that to take care of you. >> not a bit of skin was exposed. that's one of the issues of the original treatment of duncan people were walking in there with their neck uncovered. when that happens, i think people out there need to realize the sicker you are with ebola, the more secretions you have. so all this talk about traveling on the plane which is
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inexcusable, still, it's the sicker you are. that's why health care workers get it. because when you're in a room with a patient with ebola that has vomit and diarrhea and blood, they have a lot of it in their blood. >> let's say nina pham, say she did it perfectly thanks to the guidelines and having them enforced, they're saying more and more think she may have gotten in the early stages when it was undetected, he came into the hospital with vomiting and d diarrhea not diagnosed with ebola yet. >> that's true, megyn. >> that's why people are saying because the best solution is to keep people with bebola out of the country. >> i think the best solution is to try to solve this in africa. we need a ton of resources going in there. but with the cdc having fumbled this much, in west africa if you have a patient with ebola, two other people get it on average. guess what? that's what we have had here so far. the greatest health care in the
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world, one patient gets it and two more get it. until, i think the public until they feel that they can have confidence in their leadership here are going to be so afraid and so panicked. but i think you're right, we may need a temporary ban. >> let's talk about the nurse you mentioned who is a whistleblower from that texas hospital who came out and said we never even talked about ebola. never even talked about it and that the health care for mr. duncan was a chaotic scene with mass confusion that they were not adequately protected, that their skin was exposed. what's to stop us at this point, doctor, from having this happen at another hospital? are we now to believe the cdc is so on top of its game, we have nothing to worry about at these other facilities? >> no, absolutely not. i've been to a lot of hospitals and everybody's variable. i went to one, we doept have the right shield, go to this one, we don't have the right gloves, use this one. even if you use all the right suiting, i tried putting on this morning. when you take it off, the ebola's going to be everywhere. you know who has to do this?
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people have experience taking care of ebola. with the fear caution so high, imagine what it feels like to be a nurse or doctor going into that room. when you get nervous, that's when you make mistakes. >> seeing her there 26 years old in tears, tears of joy, tears of fear seeing her so vulnerable. over something she caught just in the course of trying to save a man's life and now her own is in jeopardy tonight. >> that is the key thing, that she's a very caring individual, that she really got involved with it. and we should honor her for that. never ever criticize this. this could happen to anybody. >> look at her trying to maintain a positive attitude. also breaking tonight, president obama making news just a couple hours ago when he hinted that he may now put someone new in charge of managing this ebola situation. ed henry is live at the white house next. kid: hey dad, who was that man?
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more news breaking on ebola tonight as president obama huddles with his response team. and then just a short time ago the president for the first time signaling that he is considering appointing what some have termed an ebola czar to oversea te the nation's response. >> up until this point officials here have been running point and doing an outstanding job. it may make sense for us to have one person in part just so that after this initial surge of activity we can have a more regular process just to make sure that we're crossing all the ts and dotting all the is. >> chief white house correspondent ed henry just filed this report. >> megyn, bottom line is it was dr. thomas frieden the cdc director in the hot seat on capitol hill.
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president obama also taking fire. some republicans mocking him for finally getting off the campaign trail while even some democrats were saying that the administration's response has been too slow. the president's formers press secretary jay carney joining the chorus of people saying there needs to be a travel ban to deal with this. the president again tonight rejecting that idea saying some experts believe it would be counterproductive and lead to people lying about their travel plans, lying about their health status. this was also the first time the president came out in favor of the possibility of appointing an ebola czar. republicans have been saying for a while he needs to streamline the process and also jumping on him over the rhetoric. noting for example last month the president said it's highly unlikely there'd be an outbreak of ebola in this country. today his press secretary say aemding that by saying it's highly unlikely there would be a widespread outbreak of ebola. a big difference there. i pressed josh earnest on who's going to take responsibility after a series of mistakes. listen. >> we've seen this with other
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stories. we messed up, somebody dropped the ball, we fumbled. and a person is not held accountable. who's responsible for the shortcomings? >> we've seen in a couple instances dr. frieden take responsibility for the cdc not performing up to expectations. at the same time the cdc has been focused on the same situation since march. >> pressing the president to take more responsibility but suggesting it was a democratic congressman bruce braley who said the administration has simply been too slow to react. that's significant because he's a democrat running for u.s. senate in iowa, one of the key races the president has to have in order to keep control of the senate. and just last friday he was campaigning in iowa with first lady michelle obama. megyn. >> ed henry, thank you. new york daily news expressing sense of frustration over the handling of ebola with its front cover showing the president and his headline reading "for god's
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sake, get a grip." joining me governor mike huckabee. your reaction to that? >> it's an interesting headline and a pretty accurate one summing up the way a lot of americans feel. and one thing a lot of people just don't understand, megyn, the lack of common sense. i keep hearing we're not going to put a travel ban on because it would make things worse. how would it make things worse? i mean, people out in the country understand that you never get manure on your boot if you don't walk in the pasture. and we don't seem to understand that we are continuing to have people walk around in the pasture. and we're going to end up with manure on our boots. this is not a big -- >> what about the argument that this is a difficult thing to manage and that, you know, they're doing the best they can. we have a person who's been well trusted running the cdc. and while there have been some errors, if we put somebody else in there, there's no argument he or she will do any better than dr. frieden. >> that may be true, but the question is do we trust our government? we don't trust the irs, we don't trust department of state, we don't trust the department of
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justice, health and human services spent $2 million on a website. the big problem is not who's in charge. the fact is we don't think anybody's in charge. nobody's taking responsibility. that's what being in charge means. and it doesn't mean you go blame a nurse. for gosh sake, those nurses and doctors out there on the front line of battle. they're doing the work of heroes. you've got soldiers who are being deployed to do the work of health care people. you've got the cdc doing the work of politicians trying to spin this. and then you've got the president who basically, i think, the new york daily news is right, he just needs to get a grip and get a clue. >> that's what people find very galling is that the cdc, it made some errors, but -- americans are very forgiving. if they came out and said we've done the best we can, but we did mess up. we told you we were ready and clearly we weren't ready in some key areas. we might have forgiven them and looked right past, but they
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don't say that stuff. and now they're turning to the second nurse who called the cdc and was told it was okay and now saying she lied about her symptoms. come on, really? >> well, it's embarrassing and it's insulting to that nurse. but let's go back to the fact when they say if we have a travel ban that people will lie about their symptoms. do you really think people aren't going to lie about their symptoms anyway? they're going to do everything they can to get to the united states of america where they feel like they've got -- get well. that's why duncan came here. he thought he had a chance. if he could get here. it's why people will run over a border, jump a fence, swim a river, they want to come to america. i don't blame them. but our responsibility as americans is protect americans. and that's not harsh. it's just the reality that that's our first responsibility as a country. and it's the government's first responsibility. >> and it is clear now that we are not fully prepared. governor, good to see you. coming up, conservative filmmaker dinesh d'souza is
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now being called fan gate or as one tweeter dubbed it instead fantrum. republican governor rick scott supposed to debate his opponent charlie crist, but charlie broke the rules with this little fan under the podium of the democrat. the device was not allowed under the debate contract, which both parties signed. or was it? >> shows us no electronics can be used including fans -- >> are we really going to debate about a fan? or are we going to debate about education and environment and the future of our state? >> governor scott was accused of refusing to take to the stage over the issue. but he says his seven-minute delay in getting out there had nothing to do with the fan. >> i waited until we figured out if he was going to show up. he said he wasn't going to come to the debate.
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>> joining now criminal defense attorney and prosecutor in florida and also a fox news legal analyst. so i ask you, mark, it was fantastic. but who was to blame? what did the contract actually provide? >> well, let me just say this, scott did absolutely nothing wrong except invoke florida stand your ground rule over a fan. he looked completely petty, like a toddler, this isn't fair. let me tell you this, yes, it says no fans, but apparent lly crist we can readjust depending on the temperature of the venue. who cares, you don't split hairs. >> no, no. >> no, it did, megyn. >> i'll show the audience my highlighted copy of the contract. this is the ridiculous that these men reduced me to. their contract says, they both signed it, candidates may not bring electronic devices,
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including fans to the debate. and then after governor rick scott -- there's a cameraman walking in front of the camera. scott signs that and charlie added addendum unless i really want to. never signed onto it. >> exactly. contract 101, you cannot unilaterally change a contract. he said why don't i add that addendum. doesn't matter if governor scott signs it or not. i just want to change the rules because i'm crist. >> you are both missing the point. the only fan that should cause someone not to come out to debate is a fanatic supporter who actually physically made their way past security and hid under the stands. >> no, no, no, no. because first of all -- i just want the audien know apparently charlie crist has fan issues because he brings this fan with him everywhere. and it doesn't get hot under the lights.
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>> it's florida. are we really picking a battle over a fan? >> guys -- >> came on fox news and he also tried to pull that fan stunt here. he takes -- he had a girl who holds the fan for him during certain interviews. >> exactly. >> here he goes. >> he brings fans with him. but let me say this, he was not allowed. the rules were he wasn't allowed to bring it. and mercedes, the debate leader came out and said governor scott was not refusing to join the debate. they were in fact waiting on resolution of the rules issue and we regret that we allowed one candidate to take the stage. meaning crist. the debate people screwed up. >> exactly right. that's what the governor said. he came forward. i was waiting to get signal to come forward because crist has some sort of -- and go into this
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debate unless he had his fan. >> how does he look now? i ask you, how does he look? >> the debate screwed it up. >> exactly. it was the moderators. >> when i thought he was standing off like a baby pitching a fit about a fan, i thought what you thought. but later the debate people told us he was in the back not knowing his opponent had gone out there on his own. and he thought they were waiting for resolution. why shouldn't he insist they enforce the rules as written, mark? >> oh, megyn, because now people as a result are rightfully questioning his political intuition. he made a big mistake in a heated race. he screwed up, megyn, you got toto admit it. i don't understand what people are so upset about air. i don't understand why. mark, mercedes, good to see you. put that down. put that down. they can see you now.
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up next, he's doing eight months in federal confinement. he got out and came here. dinesh d'souza is next. the government is trying to discredit me. and that completely failed. and they thought if we lock this guy up 12 to 18 months he won't be able to make a movie in the next election year. and that's not working either. ul tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income. so i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica.
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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. well, it has been two weeks since documentary filmmaker and author dinesh d'souza began his eight-month sentence for breaking campaign finance laws during the 2012 election. yesterday he got a day pass to
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new york city and came here to "the kelly file." watch. >> he's out! you're out! some confinement. >> well, it's not a 24-hour confinement. i'm confined overnight. so i check in in the evening, some time between 7:00 and 9:00. i sleep there. and kind of an l-shape dormitory. there are about 120 people in the facility, about 60 on a floor. we sleep in an open area on bunk beds. >> like camp? >> a little bit like camp. we have a locker like high school. >> do you have to wear a uniform? >> well, i dress cautiously. i wear sort of track suit clothes and dark clothing. >> like a black and white stripe? >> i got to remind myself all the other guy there is have came from prison and some have served murder and other cases, so they're transitioning back into society. i seem to be the only guy coming from the street. and i leave in the morning. >> what's it like? what are the people like?
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>> it's about two-thirds hispanic. the rest is divided between black and white. the asian-indian population is very limited. i think if i started the asian-indian gang there would be one member. most of the people there are very cautious. very interesting culture of civility that prevails. i think it's because it's a violent place -- it's a violent criminal. criminal. as a result they're very courteous. if i'm watching tv, you'll have three big guys to duck -- >> really? oh, because they don't want to get hurt. do they watch "the kelly file"? maybe they're watching "the kelly file" and nobody wants to get in the way of it. >> in addition to that. so that's my confinement. i do psychiatric counselling. >> are they trying to cure you of your republicanism? your conservativism? >> the judge said he was mystified by me. couldn't understand why i did this. and i think he thought self-examination might help to
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illuminate that question. >> have you given it any thought? >> i think this is it, megyn, to be honest, when you're an immigrant and leave the whole world behind like i did when i was 17, it's like leaving one building and walking on a tight rope to another building and pretty soon you've left the first building behind, india, but you really haven't become america. i landed at that stage at dartmouth. and i had a small group of friends and they became like family to me. and wendy long who ran for senate 25 years later was one of that number. i told the judge we became so close at that time when i was so impressionable that 25 years later i almost viewed her running as a family obligation. and that's the psychological reason i kind of lost my judgment and i went overboard and i did something i shouldn't have done. >> what's amazing though now is even though you're in this confinement center and the government wanted you badly to be in prison up to a year plus, you're still working. i mean now the dvd of america is
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coming out now. >> i think the government was trying to discredit me. and that completely failed. and then they thought if we lock this guy up 12 to 18 months he at the very least won't be able to make a movie in the next election year. that's not working either. in some cases a great political win because of what the government tried to do to me. it's not i have a lenient sentence. i have a lenient sentence compared. >> they have to approve media appearances. and they approved this one. so let's not say anything about in this one. thank you, government. it's a pleasure. keep your head down and mouth shut. >> can you believe? send dinesh a tweet if you want to react. but first coming up on "hannity" at the top of the hour. >> this is a serious public health threat. the approach of the obama administration has been so far like its approach to so many other things, fundamentally unserious.
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let's watch a little bit of this one more time. [ inaudible ] >> i'm really proud of you. all right.
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[ inaudible ] she's been crying. happy tears. >> yeah. >> say a prayer for her tonight. she looks great. tune in tomorrow for a "the kelly file" special on ebola. thanks for watching. i'm megyn kelly. welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. high drama on capitol hill today regarding the fight against ebola in this country. now top government officials tasked with keeping you, the american people, safe were grilled by lawmakers about whether or not this nation is in fact prepared to contain this virus. more on that in a moment. but first an update on the two dallas nurses infected with this disease. now, it was announced today that nina pham is being transferred to the nih clinical center in maryland. now, this comes after amber vinson was also taken out of dallas last night to emory university hospital in atlanta. you may recall she was the nurse who traveled on that commercial airliner from ohio to texas

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